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		<title>By: Doret</title>
		<link>http://www.stacylwhitman.com/2010/06/10/is-my-character-black-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-67855</link>
		<dc:creator>Doret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  believe all writers can create believable characters of another race. But to do this writers must be familiar that race. 

should I use Ebonics or not use Ebonics? - that question makes me cringe.  A White author asking this should really take a look at their character and ask themselves, what do I know that will give  life to this character of another race.

If they still want to do it,  research.  Listen in on conversations.  Read books by Black authors.  Ask around find out which non Black authors have created believable Black characters and read those ,  also read the Black characters by non Black authors people found unrealistic.     

 African American is a reading pet peeve of mine.  I always find it a little too formal and stiff for fiction.  Especially when another character is refered to as White not Caucasian

When non Black authors use African American as opposed to Black, I always assume they do it because they didn&#039;t want to offend. And the  PC ness of it does just that.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  believe all writers can create believable characters of another race. But to do this writers must be familiar that race. </p>
<p>should I use Ebonics or not use Ebonics? &#8211; that question makes me cringe.  A White author asking this should really take a look at their character and ask themselves, what do I know that will give  life to this character of another race.</p>
<p>If they still want to do it,  research.  Listen in on conversations.  Read books by Black authors.  Ask around find out which non Black authors have created believable Black characters and read those ,  also read the Black characters by non Black authors people found unrealistic.     </p>
<p> African American is a reading pet peeve of mine.  I always find it a little too formal and stiff for fiction.  Especially when another character is refered to as White not Caucasian</p>
<p>When non Black authors use African American as opposed to Black, I always assume they do it because they didn&#8217;t want to offend. And the  PC ness of it does just that.  </p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole, I find that&#039;s often the case with one of my African American friends, too---especially when she&#039;s writing to other African American friends online. (It&#039;s sometimes a challenge to parse out what they&#039;re saying to each other!) As others on the thread have noted, it has a lot to do with context---who you&#039;re talking to, and what you&#039;re talking about. I think that kind of thing can be expressed in a story with a close point of view pretty well with just a few words to establish it as a character trait---IF that&#039;s something you want your character to do, which will depend on the character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole, I find that&#8217;s often the case with one of my African American friends, too&#8212;especially when she&#8217;s writing to other African American friends online. (It&#8217;s sometimes a challenge to parse out what they&#8217;re saying to each other!) As others on the thread have noted, it has a lot to do with context&#8212;who you&#8217;re talking to, and what you&#8217;re talking about. I think that kind of thing can be expressed in a story with a close point of view pretty well with just a few words to establish it as a character trait&#8212;IF that&#8217;s something you want your character to do, which will depend on the character.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Tadgell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Tadgell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m black, and my father (a radio broadcaster) spoke VERY properly when at work or in public/integrated places. But when with close friends or family, he&#039;d use all kinds of slang, ebonics, and other colorful metaphors. So I think it&#039;s possible for characters to be able to &quot;turn it on&quot; or &quot;off&quot;. I&#039;m not sure how that would come across in a story, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m black, and my father (a radio broadcaster) spoke VERY properly when at work or in public/integrated places. But when with close friends or family, he&#8217;d use all kinds of slang, ebonics, and other colorful metaphors. So I think it&#8217;s possible for characters to be able to &#8220;turn it on&#8221; or &#8220;off&#8221;. I&#8217;m not sure how that would come across in a story, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Cleve Lamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cleve Lamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039;m an African American dad &amp; writer, and my advice to the writer is to skip the ebonics.  Not every African American speaks with ebonics, and I fear it may come off as condescending and offensive if you attempt to tell your story in such a way.   &quot;Not black enough,&quot; is offensive as hell, wether voiced by black or white people.  The character is African American, there&#039;s nothing wrong with him sounding like an American.  Period.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m an African American dad &amp; writer, and my advice to the writer is to skip the ebonics.  Not every African American speaks with ebonics, and I fear it may come off as condescending and offensive if you attempt to tell your story in such a way.   &#8220;Not black enough,&#8221; is offensive as hell, wether voiced by black or white people.  The character is African American, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with him sounding like an American.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are plenty of ways to show readers that a character is black without defaulting to stereotypes, though. Description where appropriate, experiencing subtle racism and discrimination as Ari pointed out, an interest in family history (including descriptions of family members), and a myriad of little things that would depend on where the character lived, who his family is, and their socioeconomic status. And those cues can be as subtle or as blatant as is necessary for the story.

And I could just as easily ask, &quot;Why make a character white if the readership will never know it?&quot; Or &quot;Why make a character female if male is the default for most readers?&quot;

Part of the point of emphasizing multicultural characters in fantasy and science fiction is because too often white IS thought of as the default, and we&#039;re trying to change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are plenty of ways to show readers that a character is black without defaulting to stereotypes, though. Description where appropriate, experiencing subtle racism and discrimination as Ari pointed out, an interest in family history (including descriptions of family members), and a myriad of little things that would depend on where the character lived, who his family is, and their socioeconomic status. And those cues can be as subtle or as blatant as is necessary for the story.</p>
<p>And I could just as easily ask, &#8220;Why make a character white if the readership will never know it?&#8221; Or &#8220;Why make a character female if male is the default for most readers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Part of the point of emphasizing multicultural characters in fantasy and science fiction is because too often white IS thought of as the default, and we&#8217;re trying to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: shivam</title>
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		<dc:creator>shivam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem with making a character sound black enough is that you&#039;re competing with the imagination of the reader. if the reader can&#039;t perceive your character as having a distinct ethnic voice, in america they&#039;re gonna default to seeing the character as white. this happens even to us &#039;ethnic&#039; folk, who grow up in a white oriented media. and the... See More end result is something like the Earthsea anime where the main, black, character becomes a lily white specimen.

without vocal cues in the dialog, it becomes really hard to indicate race, and that ultimately damages your message if race is a part of the concern. why make a character black if your readership will never know it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem with making a character sound black enough is that you&#8217;re competing with the imagination of the reader. if the reader can&#8217;t perceive your character as having a distinct ethnic voice, in america they&#8217;re gonna default to seeing the character as white. this happens even to us &#8216;ethnic&#8217; folk, who grow up in a white oriented media. and the&#8230; See More end result is something like the Earthsea anime where the main, black, character becomes a lily white specimen.</p>
<p>without vocal cues in the dialog, it becomes really hard to indicate race, and that ultimately damages your message if race is a part of the concern. why make a character black if your readership will never know it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Varin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Varin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Being a military brat is a culture unto itself and your character needs to be one from the inside-out. Work your butt off to find several real-world military youth who fit your character’s ethnicity and cultural background and talk to them. Do interviews. Hang out with them. Read books of non-fiction, fiction, and poetry written by them. Research your character — that’s 3/4ths of writing them well and a crucial part of being a good writer.&quot;

Exactly. As a former military brat (multi-ethnic), I picked up various regional dialects, a bit of military speak, and speech patterns that my family used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Being a military brat is a culture unto itself and your character needs to be one from the inside-out. Work your butt off to find several real-world military youth who fit your character’s ethnicity and cultural background and talk to them. Do interviews. Hang out with them. Read books of non-fiction, fiction, and poetry written by them. Research your character — that’s 3/4ths of writing them well and a crucial part of being a good writer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. As a former military brat (multi-ethnic), I picked up various regional dialects, a bit of military speak, and speech patterns that my family used.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My upcoming book Bumpy Landings is set in Hawaii, and has a fairly multi-cultural cast. I believe I&#039;ve done a good job of writing  believable characters and fairly authentic speech that can be understood by a general audience. Having culturally believable dialog is one of the things I worry about, even though most characters have some basis in people I know personally.

This is a great discussion. Thanks for posting the question!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My upcoming book Bumpy Landings is set in Hawaii, and has a fairly multi-cultural cast. I believe I&#8217;ve done a good job of writing  believable characters and fairly authentic speech that can be understood by a general audience. Having culturally believable dialog is one of the things I worry about, even though most characters have some basis in people I know personally.</p>
<p>This is a great discussion. Thanks for posting the question!</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree somewhat with Stephanie on the last part, the question about Ebonics is just.... I don&#039;t know. Being &quot;black enough&quot; does not mean you use Ebonics so that shoudln&#039;t be the deciding factor. However, my guess is that as a &quot;military brat&quot; he wouldn&#039;t use Ebonics. I know some African American people who were in the army and they don&#039;t use it. But that&#039;s the army, not the Air Force, so it could be different.

I would be offended if your black character never talked about certain issues we face like the subtle racisim, especially as a black guy. But since&#039;s science fiction it may never come up, although if it starts out in the 21st century in America then the character should acknowledge the fact that he gets looks of suspicion in certain areas because he is an African American guy.

Stacy&#039;s advice was right on :)

That is so true about how people speak differently wiith different groups of people. When my mother is back home down South, she regains her Southern accent. My father speaks Spanish with his relatives. I use a lot more slang/Ebonics with my African American friends and Latino friends. So that is a key factor. Something an African American person has to learn to do is be able to &quot;speak two languages&quot; in a way. around white people and authority figures, most of us speak properly, no slang. But I know from what I&#039;ve done myself and from what I&#039;ve seen my parents and their friends do, when African Americans are just with each other, they loosen up and their is less of a concern for &quot;speaking properly&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree somewhat with Stephanie on the last part, the question about Ebonics is just&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know. Being &#8220;black enough&#8221; does not mean you use Ebonics so that shoudln&#8217;t be the deciding factor. However, my guess is that as a &#8220;military brat&#8221; he wouldn&#8217;t use Ebonics. I know some African American people who were in the army and they don&#8217;t use it. But that&#8217;s the army, not the Air Force, so it could be different.</p>
<p>I would be offended if your black character never talked about certain issues we face like the subtle racisim, especially as a black guy. But since&#8217;s science fiction it may never come up, although if it starts out in the 21st century in America then the character should acknowledge the fact that he gets looks of suspicion in certain areas because he is an African American guy.</p>
<p>Stacy&#8217;s advice was right on <img src='http://www.stacylwhitman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That is so true about how people speak differently wiith different groups of people. When my mother is back home down South, she regains her Southern accent. My father speaks Spanish with his relatives. I use a lot more slang/Ebonics with my African American friends and Latino friends. So that is a key factor. Something an African American person has to learn to do is be able to &#8220;speak two languages&#8221; in a way. around white people and authority figures, most of us speak properly, no slang. But I know from what I&#8217;ve done myself and from what I&#8217;ve seen my parents and their friends do, when African Americans are just with each other, they loosen up and their is less of a concern for &#8220;speaking properly&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AudryT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AudryT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response to the author&#039;s question:

As a military brat, I pretty much lack an accent.  People don&#039;t place me as being from anywhere specific, except America.  

Having said that, being in the military does not erase accents or patterns of speech from everyone.  How a person&#039;s core family unit speaks and how many years they spend living in a location are the primary influences on how they pronounce words.

IMO, your character needs to speak based on their influences, not on readers&#039; opinions of the world.  Where do their parents come from?  How do individuals from their parents&#039; backgrounds, childhood neighborhoods, and social class speak?  How does that influence your character?  Does your character have an opinion about how their parents speak and do they make conscious decisions about their own way of talking?  How can you use the character&#039;s voice and upbringing to flesh out the character better and further serve the plot of the novel?  

Also question your motives for making a character the way they are.  If you made them a military brat to avoid using a specific pattern of speech, that&#039;s the foundation for a poorly-drawn, flat character.  Being a military brat is a culture unto itself and your character needs to be one from the inside-out.  Work your butt off to find several real-world military youth who fit your character&#039;s ethnicity and cultural background and talk to them.  Do interviews.  Hang out with them.  Read books of non-fiction, fiction, and poetry written by them.  Research your character -- that&#039;s 3/4ths of writing them well and a crucial part of being a good writer.

The thing about a character not being &quot;black enough&quot; is that black is a false label that lumps diverse individuals into one, tiny box.  &quot;Black&quot; is supposed to cover everything from the son of a Nigerain immigrant and a white woman who was raised in Hawaii to a girl raised by a Haitian aunt in the Bronx after her parents died in an earthquake to a rich girl raised in Texas by ranchers whose grandparents were Canadian.  There are millions of vastly diverse individuals with thousands of cultural backgrounds and accents being lumped under the umbrella of &quot;black&quot; based solely on skin tone.  If your friends think that all those people ought to speak one way, that&#039;s their narrow life experience that&#039;s being exposed, not any actual reality.  

Make sure you know what background your character comes from and make sure you do the research necessary to flesh them out based on that background.  That&#039;s what matters -- not what a couple of people who have a narrow definition for the tiny box of &quot;black&quot; think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response to the author&#8217;s question:</p>
<p>As a military brat, I pretty much lack an accent.  People don&#8217;t place me as being from anywhere specific, except America.  </p>
<p>Having said that, being in the military does not erase accents or patterns of speech from everyone.  How a person&#8217;s core family unit speaks and how many years they spend living in a location are the primary influences on how they pronounce words.</p>
<p>IMO, your character needs to speak based on their influences, not on readers&#8217; opinions of the world.  Where do their parents come from?  How do individuals from their parents&#8217; backgrounds, childhood neighborhoods, and social class speak?  How does that influence your character?  Does your character have an opinion about how their parents speak and do they make conscious decisions about their own way of talking?  How can you use the character&#8217;s voice and upbringing to flesh out the character better and further serve the plot of the novel?  </p>
<p>Also question your motives for making a character the way they are.  If you made them a military brat to avoid using a specific pattern of speech, that&#8217;s the foundation for a poorly-drawn, flat character.  Being a military brat is a culture unto itself and your character needs to be one from the inside-out.  Work your butt off to find several real-world military youth who fit your character&#8217;s ethnicity and cultural background and talk to them.  Do interviews.  Hang out with them.  Read books of non-fiction, fiction, and poetry written by them.  Research your character &#8212; that&#8217;s 3/4ths of writing them well and a crucial part of being a good writer.</p>
<p>The thing about a character not being &#8220;black enough&#8221; is that black is a false label that lumps diverse individuals into one, tiny box.  &#8220;Black&#8221; is supposed to cover everything from the son of a Nigerain immigrant and a white woman who was raised in Hawaii to a girl raised by a Haitian aunt in the Bronx after her parents died in an earthquake to a rich girl raised in Texas by ranchers whose grandparents were Canadian.  There are millions of vastly diverse individuals with thousands of cultural backgrounds and accents being lumped under the umbrella of &#8220;black&#8221; based solely on skin tone.  If your friends think that all those people ought to speak one way, that&#8217;s their narrow life experience that&#8217;s being exposed, not any actual reality.  </p>
<p>Make sure you know what background your character comes from and make sure you do the research necessary to flesh them out based on that background.  That&#8217;s what matters &#8212; not what a couple of people who have a narrow definition for the tiny box of &#8220;black&#8221; think.</p>
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